Host of the Restoring Our Roots podcast, Larry Norris of Decriminalize Nature, sat down with our co-founder, Del Jolly. Their grounded conversation on leading from the heart invites listeners to rethink “optimization” not as performance-pressure, but as a path toward wholeness, balance, and connection to self. “The quickest way to educate people is through story.” […]

Host of the Restoring Our Roots podcast, Larry Norris of Decriminalize Nature, sat down with our co-founder, Del Jolly. Their grounded conversation on leading from the heart invites listeners to rethink “optimization” not as performance-pressure, but as a path toward wholeness, balance, and connection to self.
“The quickest way to educate people is through story.”
Del shares how entheogens can foster clarity, emotional intelligence, and genuine alignment. They explore optimization as inner coherence, the healing power of storytelling, and why community and reciprocity are essential in modern entheogenic work.
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